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1. jimdaly9817 February 2011, 18:39 GMT +01:00

Stumbled across this one - thought you might like it.

986. micromoth24 August 2011, 22:16 GMT +02:00

@982 Thanks for the link to the article Dez. Without wishing to bore the pants off Mike and everybody else by going into this in too much detail, I have to say that I found the article very far from convincing! Here's a few bullet points:

* For a start, the site gets the chemical constitution of methionine wrong - it has two oxygen atoms, not just one - the formula is HO2CCH(NH2)CH2CH2SCH3

* Methionine is not manufactured by our bodies from scratch; it is an ESSENTIAL amino acid that we have to obtain from our food

* Methionine occurs in plant proteins as well as animal proteins, so it doesn't seem to make any sense to focus just on excluding animal protein

* There is only ONE solitary sulphur atom in methionine - hardly a significant source of sulphuric acid!

In conclusion, I'm afraid I wouldn't give very much credence to this article at all.

I'll shut up now. :-)

987. xymonau25 August 2011, 0:05 GMT +02:00

"Animal proteins contain more methionine than plant proteins." Obviously we can have too much.

The article says it is essential. You have to have it from your diet. Is more always better?

"In 1988, N.A. Breslau and colleagues identified the relationship between protein-rich diets and calcium metabolism, noting that protein caused calcium loss. His work was published in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology (1988;66:140-6)."

Did you actually read the supporting research evidence? Also, the heart societies in all countries recommend only small amounts of red meat on two or so days per week. Most of us are eating meat two or three times a day. And many vegetarians are eating meat substitutes that are too high in protein.

I personally don't care what you eat. I don't like the cruelty that invariably follows when animals become "products". They have feelings and can feel pain exactly as we do.

As I said, I am not a vegetarian. But in this day and age, when there is an abundance of good plant based food, and all the research supports a longer and healthier life with a plant based diet, plus the risk of things like CJD, swine flu', etc,
it doesn't make sense to continue chomping away on corpses that increase the risk of illness and early death.

Meat is very addictive, because of the nature of the chemicals in the blood of the dying animal. People should progressively cut back if they want to stop eating it. Also, they have to eat a wide variety of foods - meat eaters should, too - in order to get the whole range of anti-oxidants. The defense of meat eating sometimes strikes me as the same way addicts defend their drug of choice. That's an observation, not a judgment.

Cows don't eat grass, pigs don't eat roots and veges, chickens don't eat grass and natural food, sheep don't eat grass. Pigs are fed a lot of waste products - which varies between countries - but because they will eat just about anything and still get fat, they often get the worst. The others are fed ground up animals (I used to work in a chicken abbatoir, and the chickens that were too sick and died before their throats could be cut, and those that were deformed or gangrenous, etc, were thrown into a grinder, along with the heads and feet, mixed with some bran and grains, and formed into chicken pellets, which were fed back to other chickens), fish meal - sometimes up to 30% of their feed - and other animal products. Cows are often fed leftover lollies and other junk food from factories. The bone loss in some of these animals causes leg deformities. There is a great big picture that is usually not shown to the public, because thinking people might be horrified to realise that what they have on their plate is full of rubbish, antibiotics, and illness. My father used to work in an abbatoirs, cutting the meat off carcasses. The cancers are simply cut off, and meat that looks normal is then passed on for human consumption. I don't think my father lied to me.

988. micromoth25 August 2011, 3:37 GMT +02:00

I'm not disputing these other issues you mention. I'm well aware of what factory farms are like and I don't buy that stuff. My point was simply that I don't find the claim that eating animal protein leads to the production of sulphuric acid at all convincing, for the reasons I've already mentioned.

989. happyture25 August 2011, 9:23 GMT +02:00

Well, think i,ll just have the Caesar salad then please, and for dessert, peaches on the rocks, hold the cream!

990. xymonau25 August 2011, 10:13 GMT +02:00

Oh, you can't have anything. You're a FUM!

991. happyture25 August 2011, 10:24 GMT +02:00

Hey, its national be nice to Mikey day today, we Mikey's are a rare breed and should be treated with niceness's :O)

992. xymonau25 August 2011, 10:29 GMT +02:00


Did I say FUM's was bad? It's the happiest FUM I ever done seen. Face like a frog, tho.

993. happyture25 August 2011, 10:32 GMT +02:00

Thats nice, is this why my fingernails keep dropping out?

994. xymonau25 August 2011, 10:45 GMT +02:00

Are they dropping out and turning on, man?

995. happyture25 August 2011, 19:06 GMT +02:00

Na, juss droppin out, think me toenails are unfriendly though!

996. xymonau26 August 2011, 0:03 GMT +02:00

That's 'cause you're bitin' em on the bias. You gotta nibble them straight across, silly.

997. happyture26 August 2011, 9:06 GMT +02:00

Ha thats a joke, lass tyme i bitededed thum, i was rushed a A.E , yeah, they had to steam me straight again, bent up like a snail i woz, so now i use a disc cutter like everyone helse.

998. xymonau27 August 2011, 10:15 GMT +02:00

A power grinder is best for them hard to cut ones. You get a few sparks, natcherly, but it's a small price to pay.

999. happyture27 August 2011, 11:08 GMT +02:00

Yeah,,,in Oztralian its a power grinder, hinglish, its a disc cutter, one ham the same thing i thinked :O)

1000. xymonau27 August 2011, 11:10 GMT +02:00

You foreigners and your funny ethnic ways!

1001. happyture27 August 2011, 11:11 GMT +02:00

Juss bout two say the same thing :O)

1002. xymonau27 August 2011, 11:16 GMT +02:00

Eggsept I yam not efnik, am I? I yam normal.

1003. happyture27 August 2011, 11:23 GMT +02:00

Well, you knows the sayin, self praise is no recommendation :O) Normal :O)

1004. xymonau27 August 2011, 11:35 GMT +02:00

Larf at me, will you?!

1005. happyture27 August 2011, 11:38 GMT +02:00

I canny elp it sum tymes Dezzie, sorry,,,,right serious face,,,,hang on,,,tryin,,,,,,still tryin,,,,...........................................................

1006. xymonau27 August 2011, 11:57 GMT +02:00

In my right hand you will see a scourer. In my left, a can of Ajax (I think you have that there). I shall now demonstrate how to wipe the smile off your face.

1007. happyture27 August 2011, 17:08 GMT +02:00

No need for that ruffness, where,s me Moustache gone?? well i want it back.....

1008. xymonau28 August 2011, 2:14 GMT +02:00

It looked like that rat, anyway. Why you want to wear a rat on your face is beyond me. At least the smirk is gone. Tolja!

1009. micromoth28 August 2011, 6:31 GMT +02:00

Mike, I didn't know your middle name was Tolja - you're not from Belorussia are you?

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